My Ummah Will Split Into 73 Sects… & That’s It!

If you were to ask an average Muslim that has the smallest amount of knowledge regarding the Muslim sect they attribute themselves to, there is a very high chance that they will claim to be part of the “saved sect – الفرقة الناجية”, or at the very least on the “true way” of being in this sect. This claim is made while it escapes him or her that such a claim is quite an audacious one and more often than not has no basis, except that they were informed that they were on the path of “the strangers”, which were foretold about by the Prophet peace be upon him. The interesting part is, you will hear the same rhetoric as this person from another who might seem to be doing things in what looks superficially to be an opposite way. In fact, I’ve personally heard one individual claim that they are on the Sunnah of the Prophet peace be upon him and they’re part of “the strangers”, while throwing some label such as “Sufi” or “Ash’ari” or “innovator” on another Muslim whom they do not see eye to eye with. On the other hand, this other individual that was labelled by the first is saying exactly the same thing regarding the first, but the label is different. Instead they will call the first a “Salafi” or “Wahhabi” as a way to demean them and apparently “show” how they’re on the wrong path.

From my personal experience, the more I learn, the more I see the ridiculous nature of this discourse and the more I see why we as Muslims have gotten to this point. Every time I hear such language I immediately remember God’s words in the Qur’an when He says in Chapter 23, Verses 52 & 53:

وَإِنَّ هَـٰذِهِۦۤ أُمَّتُكُمۡ أُمَّةً۬ وَٲحِدَةً۬ وَأَنَا۟ رَبُّڪُمۡ فَٱتَّقُونِ * فَتَقَطَّعُوٓاْ أَمۡرَهُم بَيۡنَہُمۡ زُبُرً۬ا‌ۖ كُلُّ حِزۡبِۭ بِمَا لَدَيۡہِمۡ فَرِحُونَ

And surely this your religion is one religion and I am your Lord, therefore be careful (of your duty) to me. But they cut off their religion among themselves into sects, each part rejoicing in that which is with them

It’s extremely sad that many Muslims recite the Qur’an on a daily basis and yet when it comes to learning from it and taking its instructions to heart, many of us simply fail. In fact, we have many Muslims that have either memorized the whole Qur’an cover to cover, or are currently focusing and working hard on memorizing it. But how many of us are working hard on implementing and understanding the Qur’an in our daily lives? It truly brings what the Prophet peace be upon said to the companions about the end of time to a vivid realization for anyone reflecting upon it:

أنتم في زمان قليل قراؤه كثير فقهاؤه وسيأتي زمان كثير قراؤه قليل فقهاؤه

You’re living during a time when few have memorized while many have understood, and a time will come when many will have memorized while few have understood

When it comes to the above mentioned verse, Imam Al Qurtubi mentions in his commentary Al Jami’ Li Ahkam Al Qur’an that the verse is understood in light of the narration from the Prophet peace be upon him in which he said:

ألا إن من قبلكم من أهل الكتاب افترقوا على ثنتين وسبعين ملة وإن هذه الملة ستفترق على ثلاث وسبعين ثنتان وسبعون في النار و واحدة في الجنة وهي الجماعة

Verily the people before you from the People of the Book split into seventy two religions, and this religion will split into seventy three; seventy two are in Hell and one is in Heaven and it’s the group

This narration was reported by Abu Da’uwood and it ended at that point. At’Tirmithi narrated it and had an addition that was missing in which the companions may God be pleased with them asked the Prophet peace be upon him:

ومن هي يا رسول الله؟ قال: ما أنا عليه وأصحابي

And who shall it be o’ Messenger of God? He said: what I’m upon and my companions

As Imam Al Qurtubi explains, the splitting into groups being warned about in both the Verses and Prophet narration is to split on the principles and foundations of Islam. This is the case due to the specific use of the word “milla – ملة” in the narration. On the other hand, this narration CANNOT be used when it comes to the branches of the religion. Unfortunately, some Muslims mistakingly use this narration from the Prophet peace be upon him to attack the following of a particular Matth’hab and claim that it “splits the Ummah”. Such a fallacious use of the words of the Prophet peace be upon him is nothing else but a sign of ignorance. With respect to what the Prophet peace be upon indicated regarding what he and his companions may God be pleased with them, this is what is known as the “Sunnah“.

To drive this point home, the Prophet peace be upon him said in another narration:

عليكم بسنتي وسنة الخلفاء الراشدين من بعدي عضوا عليها بالنواجذ وإياكم ومحدثات الأمور فإن كل بدعة ضلالة

Follow my way and the way of the rightly guided caliphs after me, and hold on to this with your teeth, and beware of innovated matters (in the religion) because every innovation (in the religion) is a misguidance

Furthermore, Imam Malik may God be pleased with him used to quite often say:

فإن خير أمور الدين ما كان سنة وشر الأمور محدثات البدائع

The best of religious matters is what was in accordance to the Sunnah, and the most evil of matters are the newly innovated ones (in the religion)

It should be made clear here that the definition of Sunnah according to the Sharia excludes what were customary norms within the Arabian society. Acts that are in accordance with that society’s general norms or against them are not named Sunnah or Bidah, even if they were acts of the Prophet peace be upon him. For example, the Prophet peace be upon him milked his own goat, but no one can say it is a Sunnah for a Muslim to milk their own goat.

There is another term for Sunnah that is more restrictive than just jurisprudence, and it deals with Creed. This is in regards to the difference between Sunnah and Shia, and what is meant with these names is political regarding the caliphate. At the very beginning, Muslims split into three groups depending on their view on who should qualify to be the ruler of the believers, and the three positions were:

  1. The caliphate is restricted to the family of the Prophet peace be upon him – Shia
  2. The caliphate is not restricted to anyone – Kharijites
  3. The caliphate is restricted to the tribe of Quraysh – Sunni

Although this was a political split, it later took a creedal form, and that solidified the split between Muslims to this day.

With respect to the Arabic linguistic meaning of the term “al jama’a – الجماعة”, it refers to the group of people that have pledged allegiance to someone. The term started to be widely used during the time of the third rightly-guided caliph Othman Bin Affan may God be pleased with him when the Kharijites defected from the rest of Muslims and killed him. This term is no longer valid for use during our times because it was initially used to describe the majority of Muslims that were in allegiance with the caliph, which is no longer in existence.

But let’s get back to the narrations about the 73 sects. Shaykh Muhammed Al Hasan Wald Ad’Dido is a contemporary scholar and president of the Association for Preparing Scholars in Mauritania. He is one of the very few living scholars that seem to have mastered many of the Islamic sciences, and seems to have memorized anything that anyone can think of when it comes to the Islamic Tradition. More importantly, unlike many of our contemporary scholars and imams of mosques that simply relate what they read in the Hadith books as they have studied them in the universities they attended, Shaykh Ad’Dido didn’t just study and memorize all the Hadith texts such as Bukhari and Muslim and Abu Da’uwood with scholars of Hadith, but he can also relate the narrations in these books in all their versions with chains of transmission that go all the way back to the Prophet peace be upon him (click here to see what I mean). According to Shaykh Ad’Dido, the part of the narration saying that seventy two out of the seventy three sects are in Hell except for one is not authentic. The narration stops at the splitting into seventy three sects, and all other additions seen are either fabricated or weak. Furthermore, the splitting is not a negative or a positive thing. Rather, the Prophet peace be upon him foretold about it because it was inevitably going to happen due to the differences of intellectual powers and comprehension abilities of people. What one individual is able to understand from a Qur’anic Verse or narration of the Prophet peace be upon him is not necessarily going to be at the same level as someone else.

The opinion of Shaykh Ad’Dido is one of others that the scholars of Hadith have about this particular narration. Another opinion that I was taught is that the added part regarding the different groups says that seventy two are going to be in Heaven except for one, which is apparently also as authentic as the version most commonly narrated among Muslims that opposes it (that 72 are in Hell and 1 is in Heaven).

If you thought it ended there, think again. When it comes to the interpretation of the narration itself, regardless of whether you take the first version or second or third or or or, you will find it quite odd that there is such a wide diversity of ways to read this narration. One interpretation talks about the fact that all of humanity is the Ummah of the Prophet peace be upon him, because he was sent to all of them. Those who respond and accept the Message are called the Ummah of Affirmation (أمة الإستجابة), while others who have not are called the Ummah of Invitation (أمة الدعوة). Therefore, one interpretation is that the seventy two sects will form the Ummah of Invitation, while the remaining sect that goes into Heaven is the Ummah of Affirmation, irrespective of how many groups are within it.

There are many other interpretations for this Hadith that I’m not going to get into here, but I think I made my point, which is that some Muslims who try to quote this Prophetic narration as if it’s clear and has no ambiguity in it are in fact mistaken. Nothing that is clear cut would have the mind boggling number of opinions this particular narration has. Many have delved into it and commented about it, and many more Muslims nowadays will quote this narration from the Prophet peace be upon him and claim to be from the “saved sect” until the cows come home. But the truth of the matter is, the falsehood is not necessarily fallen on the narration  itself, but rather it falls on those who occupy themselves to an unacceptable extent with it.

In fact, it is impermissible in Islam to declare anyone or any group of people to be saved except for those who have been explicitly named in the Qur’an or authentic narration from the Prophet peace be upon him.

There is another narration from the Prophet peace be upon him where he said:

بدأ الإسلام غريبا وسيعود غريبا فطوبى للغرباء

Islam started as a strange thing and will return as a strange thing, so glad tidings are for the strangers

In the spirit of making claims, which is a major ailment that Muslims are suffering from, many will claim to be on the way of the “strangers”. I have yet to meet a single Muslim that quotes this narration and completes it with the two endings that it’s been narrated with. The companions may God be pleased with them asked:

من هم الغرباء يا رسول الله؟

Who are the strangers O’ Messenger of God?

There are two versions of responses that he peace be upon him gave:

قوم صالحون في قوم سوء كثير، من يعصيهم أكثر ممن يطيعهم

Righteous people among wicked people. Many more will disobey them than those who obey


من يصلحون ما أفسد الناس من سنتي

Those who fix what people have broken in my Sunnah

In the interpretation of the word “strangers”, according to the scholars of Hadith, the first “strangers” were the Prophet peace be upon him and his first companions in Mecca may God be pleased with them. They were weak and could not manifest the Truth or speak of it. The return to that was foretold by the Prophet peace be upon him, which is when those who have the Truth will not be able to speak it. Many Muslims have misunderstood the word “strangers” to mean those who do things differently or look a little different than others. The first “strangers” at the beginning of Islam were strange among their own people, who looked like them, dressed like them, ate like them, and had the same customary practices as them. Take that to nowadays and apply it. My personal experience with this matter has been quite “strange”.

I’ve been studying and travelling to sit with scholars and learning much about the Islamic Tradition over the past 4 years in quite a focused and intense way. As I began studying I realized that I’ve never raised my eyebrows so much in my life. Much of what I thought were given facts turned out to be merely opinions by some scholars that others, and in some instances most did not agree with. The methodology behind approaching the Tradition itself, which I was exposed to previously before sitting with teachers was flawed in its essence, because it gave authority to the intellect of those who were not trained and did not seriously study. Lately, I’ve even had a question about why I placed importance on having a chain of transmission for anything being done in the religion that goes back to the Prophet peace be upon him, such as praying and wudu’. Among Muslims, the way to do Islam now is to either buy the books yourself and pretend you’re Ibn Hazm, or just go on Google or YouTube, and practice Do It Yourself Islam. But to emphasize sitting with teachers and learning from them and ask for a chain of transmission for anything being said that relates to the religion and practicing it, has now been getting me very weird looks. To top it off, those who find the traditional way of obtaining knowledge strange, will decree themselves as the “saved sect” and the “strangers”, while everyone else is apparently doomed.

Quick pause and side note: I’m not making a claim to be one of the “strangers”. I’m just trying to give perspective on things. When I share that I’m getting weird looks, it’s due to me trying to follow in the footsteps of the previous generations of scholars in hopes of attaining a small percentage of what they had. But I am convinced that the right away to obtaining knowledge and learning the Islamic Tradition has been lost among most Muslims and is now looked upon as “strange”.

Back to what I was saying. Imam Ibn Taymiyyah may God have mercy on him said:

أما أن يفرد الإنسان طائفة منتسبة إلى متبوع من الأمة ويسميها أهل الحق ويشهر أن كل من خالفها في شيء فهو من أهل الباطل فهذا حال الأهواء والبدع

For one person to single out a sect that follows a particular imam from among the Muslims and name it the “People of Truth”, and announce that all who disagree with it in any matter are the “People of Falsehood” – this is the state of people following their personal whims and innovations

I absolutely love this saying of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah may God have marcy on him. It is basically a commentary on the Verse:

ولا تزكوا أنفسكم هو أعلم بمن اتقى

And do not exalt yourselves. He knows best who has achieved awareness (of God)

Furthermore, Imam Ibn Taymiyyah may God have mercy on him used the term insan in Arabic, which in English can be translated into person. However, the Arabic word comes from the root word meaning “to forget”. In the statement by Imam Ibn Taymiyyah may God have mercy on him, he says that the individual doing this singling out of one group over others is one who has forgotten what Islam actually teaches and forgot his place in the world.

A final word about this subject. Many claim to be following the Sunnah of the Prophet peace be upon him. But if one examines things closely, it turns out for the most part to be an empty claim. Every sincere Muslim would know that they’re really lacking and are not following most of the Sunnah, and they acknowledge that. The danger comes when one has enough pride to believe that they are indeed “saved”, and then start judging others. The scholars have unanimously ruled that it’s impermissible to declare anyone as one who is not part of the People of Sunnah, unless those scholars who are the level of being able to discern this have a unanimous agreement that he or she has seriously strayed away from the People of Sunnah. Otherwise, even if one is violating certain givens, or happens to be unanimously declared as an innovator in a certain matter, they are still part of the People of Sunnah.

Heaven and Hell are none of anyone’s business but God’s. So each of us should mind our own business and work on rectifying our states.

This and God knows best!

21 thoughts on “My Ummah Will Split Into 73 Sects… & That’s It!

  1. Please dont fall into the trap of following hadith blindly. It is doing more damage than good. The hadith also say that women should breastfeed adult men!

    ii. Sahih Muslim Book 008, Hadith Number 3425: [English Translation]

    ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon

    Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him (Breastfeed him) and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear.

    She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.

    The sooner you come back to the Quran, dear brother – the better it is for the Islamic community.

    “And tell believing women that they should lower their glances, guard their private parts, and not display their charms beyond what [it is acceptable] to reveal; they should let their headscarves fall to cover their bosoms and not reveal their charms….” (HQ 24:31)

    If I was to visit your home, would you let me breastfeed on your sister and let her suckle me? Please dont. It is haraam! I blog on –

    • Salam Alykoum dear brother,

      Jazak Allah khair for your comment and concern. You do have a point about the danger of following Hadith blindly. In fact, I’ll go further than that and say it’s a danger to follow anything blindly. However, I think you and I disagree with what the word blindly means. I’m against the following of anything ignorantly. The Quran and the Hadith have particular requirements for them to have rulings derived from them, which include first the mastering of many different sciences, as well as the understanding of the different contexts and circumstances that all of the ruling-related Qur’anic verses and Hadiths were revealed and narrated respectively. Furthermore, I disagree with the hidden premise you have in your advice to “come back to the Quran”, which is that by following the Hadith, I automatically would have to go astray away from the Quran. This is only true if one ignores the parameters that must be upheld when dealing with how to derive the rulings. While it is true that for Muslims the Quran is the ultimate authority, the Hadith is there to expound on it and work out the details of general commandments. For example, the Quran commands Muslims to pray, but the exact details behind how to perform the prayers is only explained in the Hadith.

      The problem we have is Muslims going directly into the Qur’an and Hadith and thinking they can derive rulings from them without resort to any proper and legitimate scholarship. I think it’s best for you to check this page of mine over here for more details on what I’m talking about:

  2. “We did not leave anything out of this book..”6:38

    “Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.” 6:114

    “The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.” 6:115

    “We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed , with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.” 7:52

    “This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible; for it comes from the Lord of the universe.” 10:37

    “In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not a fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.”12:111
    “We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach you Lord, using the QURAN ALONE, they run away in aversion.” 17:46

    “You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord’s scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it .” 18:27

    “We have cited in this Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature.” 18:54

    Do you still believe that the Quran is incomplete and looking for other sources of information, such as the gossip against Muhammad (P) collected by Imam Bukhari. You really think Allah would have left us at the mercy of Imam Bukhari, who starting compiling the so called “hadith” some 200 years after the prophet? Are you still wanting to argue and not trust what the Quran has to say?

    Can you explain which hadith teaches you exactly how to pray? How did people pray during the first 200 years, before Imam Bukhari went about collecting and compiling the hadith? The way in which you are supposed to pray is already mentioned in the Quran. Are you not scared after reading what is there in the Quran or are you more concerned about the what the Wahabis have to say. There is only One Allah, One Quran and One Ummah. Hadith are the cause of the division among the Muslims. It is the cause of Shiah – Sunni, Barelvi – Deobandi etc. divide. Following any other source besides the Quran is shirk (denying God) and nothing short of idolatory!

    • No one is saying that the Quran is incomplete. That would necessitate apostasy from Islam since this would be denying what the Quran says. When anyone talks about the Hadith, they’re not talking about something to “complete” the Quran per se. Rather, the Hadith is there to expound upon and shed light on what the Quran has already said. In some cases, it actually clarifies what is ambiguous in meaning or could lead one to the wrong interpretation. The context in which many of the verses were revealed is in the Hadith. Furthermore, Hadith itself had in many instances contexts in which the Prophet peace be upon him gave certain injunctions. The Hadith is a necessary and fundamental part of Islam. Through Hadith we received the biography of the Prophet peace be upon him. Through Hadith we know his attributes and characteristics in details that no other figure in history has had.

      Regarding Imam Al Bukhari may God have mercy on him, he is one of the most prominent collectors of Hadith in the Islamic Tradition. But he is certainly not the only one, and most definitely not the first one. Others have collected Hadith before Imam Al Bukhari may God have mercy on him, and in fact the very first acknowledged person to have made a collection was Imam Malik may God be pleased with him. Moreover, the science of biographies of men that deals with who to accept a narration from as opposed to not is generally attributed to Imam Malik may God be pleased with him.

      The split between the Muslims was not simply due to Hadith. In fact, the very first split between Muslims was based on the reading of the Quran itself. Research what the Kharijites had for grievances against the Caliphs, especially the debate between Ibn Abbas may God have mercy on him and the Kharijites that were camped and ready to fight Imam Ali may God have mercy on him. The division between Muslims has many reasons and contributing factors to it, including political, intellectual, and theological (in branches of theology that stem from semantics and not foundation) basis, and to reduce it all to simply the Hadith is overly simplistic.

      Finally, there is a fallacious premise in your critique of Hadith that I disagree with. The Islamic Tradition is an oral one, not a “written” one. The approach you have towards it treats it as a the Christian textual critics do who search for the earliest manuscripts and then determine what’s the correct way of dealing with scripture. The authority of the Hadith, and most certainly of the Quran, is not based on who collected what when. It’s through the chain of transmission that goes back to the original source. No one is considered a memorizer of the Quran (Hafiz) by simply doing it at home using their copy of the Quran. They must go and sit with someone who has memorized the Quran through an unbroken chain back to the Prophet peace be upon him and check “orally” whether they have it correctly. If they do, they’re then given a licence to transmit (an ijaza) the Quran and can be referred to as a “Hafiz”. The same goes for the Hadith. You should know that there is not a single copy that you can buy online or anywhere that has had an approval from an actual scholar of Hadith. To give you an example, when my teachers went with the most prevalent copy of Musnad Imam Ahmed, the one you see in Islamic universities and in homes of various imams, and took it to an actual Hadith scholar that has an ijaza for the Musnad, they were told that the copy is missing over 250 Hadiths and the mistakes were too many to try and keep track of without a technological aid! This is just one of the many Hadith collections that are out there. It makes one wonder what about the others.

      To be able to approach the Quran properly, you need the context in which it was revealed so you can understand when certain verses were revealed so that you can apply them appropriately when an analogous situation arises. This context is only found in the Hadith. The current crisis we have with Al Qaeda and various “Islamic” organizations is due to their problematic reading of the Quran that takes verses out of context twice; once out of context within the verses themselves, and another out of context from the circumstances they were revealed in. This is of course in addition to the lack of knowledge when it comes to the Arabic language and all the various sciences that relate to the Quran. The same goes with the Hadith. Many quote some of the Hadith rather than the full text, they do it from a book rather than getting it from an actual Hadith scholar, then they completely ignore the context and circumstance in which the Prophet peace be upon him was dealing with.

      Just a word of brotherly advice, be very careful with the word “shirk” when it comes to your fellow Muslims. You may understand something in a certain way, and may disagree with the understanding of another Muslim. But to induce from what you believe a mistaken understanding that the other is now an idolator is a grave thing. This type of judgement necessarily means that you’re dooming the other to an eternity of Hell, which is in itself arrogating yourself to a position only the One has. Unless you hear from a Muslim an explicit statement that directly makes them an idolator, such as saying that a Prophet is God, you can’t call them an idolator.

  3. I am sorry dear brother to use the word shirk. My apologies. The internet is full of so called sahih hadith and the non Muslims use it as a tool to attack Muslims. I personally dont find any logic in them as the Quran makes it clear not to follow anything else besides the Quran. The internet is full of hadith that is insulting to our beloved prophet. The whole collection of hadith can be found here –

    Another Muslim website has listed some examples of hadith from Bukhari that are really derogatory, which can be found here –

    Please could you justify the hadith on drinking camel urine and breastfeeding of adults. The only reason I reject the hadith is because I love Muhammad (peace be on him) too much for bringing the Quran to us and I love him dearly. I can not stand any insults to him.

    • I commend your passion for the Prophet peace be upon him and wish more Muslims would be this passionate.

      Regarding the websites you provided the link for, I think I need to explain differently what I had mentioned before. I personally do not accept anything being told to me that doesn’t come from a credible source. The most important thing for a Muslim, no matter what their interests and pursuits in life are, is to establish their relationship with Allah properly. So when it comes to anything that has to do with Islam, my first question is always: where is the chain of transmission. You know, back during the time of Ibn Abbas may God be pleased with him, he said that nobody ever asked about the source of anything being said because people were honest. But after a while lies started to spread and individuals started to claim Hadiths to be authentic, which were completely fabricated. Ibn Abbas may God be pleased with him said that at this point they all started to inquire from the person telling a Hadith about where they heard the Hadith from. I seek my knowledge with anything to do with this religion from reputable scholars, and I actually take time off and spend money to travel and sit with various teachers, and I have never taken a single book with me to study it with a teacher except that I ended up correcting multiple mistakes and adding commentaries of my own based on what I was taught that clarified what the intent was with many passages.

      With respect to the Hadiths you ask about, I’ll be honest about it and say that I was never taught these Hadiths, even though I have heard of them. However, because I’ve found myself in the past to have misunderstood and misinterpreted so much of what I had read, which was clarified as soon as I sat with a qualified scholar, I ignore these Hadiths and many others that don’t have a direct impact on my acts of worship. But I will say something about Hadiths that my not sit well with me when I first hear them: I pause and contemplate first. I do this because if the Hadith is indeed authentic, and the Prophet peace be upon him did command something that I can’t understand the logic of, I would be taking a big risk in denying something that the Prophet peace be upon him commanded, especially if it doesn’t contradict the Quran. The fault might be with my own limited intellect that couldn’t comprehend what the point or purpose or meaning of a Hadith was. Allah says in the Quran in chapter 59, verse 7: whatever the Messenger has given you, accept it and whatever he forbids for you, keep back from it). So before rushing to reject a possibly true narration, I just accuse myself for being ignorant.

      The problem we have in our postmodern times is the ethnocentric examination of everything. For example, assuming that the Hadith about camel urine is truly authentic, rather than asking: I wonder what’s unique about camel urine that he peace be upon him told those sick companions to drink it so they can receive its medicinal quality, we instead put our postmodern-perspective glasses on and then judge how they did things over 1400 years ago. Nowadays, with technology, we can extract compounds from solutions and make pills out of these compounds that are used as medicine later. This was not available during the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, and if the drinking of camel urine was going to save lives, I personally don’t see what the problem is. I’m not saying that this is in fact the explanation of the Hadith. I’m just considering a possible reason that I’m coming up with as I’m writing now. I do this with everything. Most importantly, I don’t issue judgements based on current understandings upon a people that lived over 14 centuries ago and did things differently than we do now.

      Whenever you read any Hadith, keep reminding yourself that the Prophet peace be upon him wasn’t sitting around on a couch just talking all day long for no reason. In fact, one of his characteristics peace be upon him was that he only spoke when it was needed for him to speak. So in fact, every Hadith you read, there is a context and a larger story behind it. If you remove the Hadith from context, you will definitely go astray. Also, remember that there are Hadiths that are abrogated by Hadiths that were narrated later, and there are Hadiths that are restricted to a particular companion or situation, which do not apply to other Muslims. So a legitimate cause for rejecting a particular Hadith can be taken from Islam itself, rather than personal interpretation

      My sincere brotherly advice to you is to be very careful on the Internet. There are many false and fabricated narrations attributed to the Prophet peace upon him, and you won’t know for sure unless you sit with a scholar of Hadith. If you come across authentic Hadiths that you find problematic, know that the devil is playing tricks on you, because as soon as you can clarify the linguistic meaning, as well as the full context, as well as the verses and others Hadiths that expound on it, you will find yourself feeling the way I feel a lot of times: quite silly for having a problem in the first place.

  4. Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)
    1. The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.

    Please could you explain the above hadith which suggests that God was incapable of protecting His own scriptures. On one hand we Muslims say that the Quran is complete and uncorrupted like other scriptures. On the other hand we accept false hadith which shows that the Quran is corrupted. Please could you let me know your stand on this one, whether or not the Quran has been corrupted by the goat? If we accept this hadith to be false then how do we distinguish between true and false hadith because a lot of Ulemas agree that the Quran is corrupted and uphold the Ar-Rajm. If we accept that hadith is true, we are accusing Allah of being incapable of protecting the Quran.

    • The Quran is not corrupted. I still must reiterate as I have in my other replies that the Quran, as well as the Hadith, are both “orally” transmitted. The copy of the Quran people have at home is just to allow those who have not memorized the Quran access to it. The same goes for the books of Hadith. But in all cases, if you’re looking to study the Islamic Tradition, as you seem eager to do so, it’s something you will need to undertake as a commitment to travel and find scholars that you can sit with and have them explain and transmit the knowledge to you as they received it through a chain of transmission all the way back to the Prophet peace be upon him.

      This is a problem many brothers and sisters fall into especially if they come from the west. If we were Christians, I would agree with the methodology and approach you’re taking, which is based on finding the oldest scriptures and comparing them against each other. But Islam doesn’t work that way. When Allah revealed the Torah to Moses peace be upon him, it was in tablets that were entrusted to the Children of Israel to maintain and preserve. They failed at it. When it comes to the Quran, Allah revealed it as an oral scripture and that’s how it’s been transmitted since the beginning starting with the Prophet peace be upon him. The Prophet peace be upon him lived the Quran and the Hadith clarifies and expounds on the details of many issues that the Quran has presented. Without the Hadith, the presence of the Prophet peace be upon him becomes irrelevant because Allah could have just brought down the book with Jibreel peace upon him and told us to just read it. Islam cannot be simplified to just that. It’s a nuanced tradition that requires many years of serious and intense study with qualified teachers. I mentioned in my previous reply how I always find myself misunderstanding many issues and coming up with fallacious conclusions when I don’t have a teacher correcting me.

      Once again I’m giving you this brotherly advice: don’t occupy yourself with finding Hadiths on the Internet. You can’t ascertain their authenticity and even if you find an authentic one, you may be misunderstanding it. More importantly, you’re reading the translation in English, which I can tell you in many cases is inaccurate.

  5. And how exaclty should I find an excellent teacher? The Quran says it is easy to understand and it is fully explained. Why should I then accept what a teacher has to teach me? If you read the Bible, it is quite clear that Isa (pbuh) taught Tawhid. The Christian priests however tried to explain the Bible using their own arguments which encourages Trinity. How do I then rely on the teachings of scholars, who often debate on several issues when the Quran clearly explains everything that is requiired. I do not trust anyone when it comes to a personal relationship between Allah and myself. If I am put in Jahannam, because of some false teachings, Allah will not question the teacher. He will question me for why I did not use my own intellect with which He had blessed me? Contrary to the teachings of some people, the Quran constantly encourages the reader to read and reflect on the verses. This is the main difference between Islam and other religions! We are living in the 21st century and the Quran, Alhumdulillah, is meant for all times. The hadith on the other hand takes you back into the medevial ages. We have to move along with the world rather than limiting our thoughts.

    There is no priesthood in Islam and the Quran is meant for the whole of mankind, rather than for a group of so-called scholars who pass meaningless fatwas. I know of teachers who carry pornographic material in their bags and when they come to teach the Quran, they insist on watching television movies. I know of so called Muslim preachers who treat hatred in the name of religion. I am sorry, but I do not find them any more intellectual as compared to anyone else.

    Had I not read the Quran, I too would have been a part of a Mujahideen group. They are like anyone else and do make mistakes. I can give you several exaples from my own experience and how they tried to recruit me into their group in the name of religion. The extremism that is being taught in the name of religion to some people is disgusting and has nothing to do with Islam, which is a religion of peace. Where do you think these extremists learn Islam from, when the focus in the Quran is on respecting the rights of others, equality and justice? It is my request to all those Muslims who try and listen to other so called scholars to use their own intellect and try to learn Arabic and follow the Quran, considering Allah is Merciful, as given in the Quran. Let no man mislead us in the name of religion from doing good to others.

    “that no soul shall bear the burden of another;” (HQ 53:38)

    It is my request, brother, read the Quran for yourself. It is beautiful. The argument that it is kept at home to be memorised rather than read and followed is a baseless argument, taught to Muslims in Asia, to prevent them from learning Islam. Please dont allow yourself from falling into a trap.

    • I see that this has now become an argumentation rather than a discussion, because I’m finding myself needing to repeat what I’m saying in several ways as I respond to each comment you make, while on the other hand you repeat the same thing you started with in your first comment. So after this reply I’m going to end this discussion since it seems to have become quite futile. For the sake of readers, here is the final response I will give to this brother:

      No one disagrees among all of the Muslim population that the primary source of authority in Islam is in fact the Quran. Even with the great divide between the Sunni and Shia, one can still find them agree that the Quran is the ultimate authority. Anyone who disagrees with this, or claims that Quran is missing verses, or has been altered, automatically leaves Islam. Any scholar that is giving any religious ruling (fatwa), will always begin by citing verses from the Quran as his/her primary proof for why they’re issuing a particular decree. Next comes the Hadith, and that’s where one can find some disagreements.

      The need for scholars is not some arbitrary human activity that was started by Muslims after the passing of the Prophet peace be upon him. It is something that is in the Quran itself:

      “And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware of evil” Chapter 9, Verse 122

      “Ask the people of reminder/knowledge if you do no know” Chapter 16, Verse 43 & Chapter 21, Verse 7

      Contrary to what the brother is implying above, having scholars in Islam is not equivalent to having a priesthood. The scholars are not infallible and any authority they have is not inherent to them. Rather, their religious authority is derived from their level of learning and more importantly the scriptural evidences they provide for their statements. To become a scholar, it’s not as simple as he’s putting it by just “use your intellect and learn Arabic”. As if Arabic is something you can take over some weekend courses or take over a semester or two in university and get an A as the letter grade to prove that you know Arabic. I’m a native Arabic speaker, born and raised in places where they only spoke Arabic, got exposed to different dialects of it, studied it in school and also had private lessons. Take it from me when I tell you that I barely know Arabic. It’s a science in its own right that takes a lifetime of study and people not just getting an undergraduate degree in, but also masters and PhD’s, and I’m not talking about that in a similar sense as getting a degree in English. I’m talking about the actual science of the Arabic language including grammar, rhetoric, metaphors, differences between synonyms, etc etc etc.

      The Quran is simple and it’s not. It’s simple in its overall message about the unity of God, the reality of the resurrection and Day of Judgement and Heaven and Hell, and the stories of the previous nations. It’s gets more complicated though when it comes to legislative ruling, and I’m not talking about the simple things like the impermissibility of intoxicants. To understand it all though, the very first thing one has to master is the Arabic language, and that takes years upon years of study. Everyone has the ability to do that and even after studying, everyone is fallible and can make mistakes. This is where the statement “there’s no priesthood in Islam” can be used.

      It’s clear from the fact that this brother has a drive to learn Islam and teach others about it. But the methodology is flawed, and based more on emotions rather than logic. To begin with, if you want to approach the Quran and start deriving your own rulings on the position of Hadith in Islam, in which you have deviated against the position held by the greatest majority of Muslims that have preceded you over the past 14 centuries, you have to first master all the sciences relating to the Arabic language and then master all written works on the history of Islam and history of Hadith and biographies of narrators and and and. If Allah is expecting all of us to master all of this, then life would not go on, simply because no one would have time to do anything else. Moreover, not everyone is going to have that as an interest for them. Allah has thrown different types of love in people’s hearts, such as the love for engineering, the love for medicine, the love for business, etc. If it wasn’t for the diversity of pursuits, society would have perished.

      Islam does not expect everyone to be a scholar. The simple expectation is laid out in the simple pillars of Islam: witnessing to the oneness of God and to the final messenger-ship of the Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, praying the 5 daily prayers, paying the poor-due, fasting the month of Ramadan, and performing the pilgrimage to Makkah at least once in a lifetime if able to. The simple creed a Muslim must have is to believe in God, the angels, the revealed scriptures, the messengers that were sent, the Final Day, and the Divine Decree good and bad. Overall, an average Muslim is supposed to hold these beliefs and to have an awareness of God as if they see God and while knowing they don’t actually see God, act knowing that God sees them. That’s it. If you want to delve deeper in the religion and address scholarly matters, you must undertake the journey to become a scholar. The crisis with Islam right now is a crisis of authority, because everyone who can utilize technology is now all of a sudden the Grand Mufti and after reading a couple of articles and pages from certain books they get deluded by their personal devils and become convinced that their intellect is able to discern between things without really acquiring the necessary knowledge.

      The problem with this brother is that he has immersed himself in contentious matters, that for the most part don’t concern most Muslims, and occupied himself with matters that will have no bearing on his relationship with God, and then making judgements about the authority of a whole primary source of legislation (the Hadith) based on unfounded conclusions, which will now affect his relationship with God. Going online, finding random translations of verses without really understanding what the Arabic says as it is evident in the use of these verses, and pulling up random Hadith narrations from various websites without authenticating the source and chain of transmission and without even investigating the contexts and syntax of these narrations, are all combined to give a recipe for disaster.

      Finally, for the last time, your assumption that I or Muslims have strayed away from the Quran is rejected. I’m quite familiar with the Quran and what it says, as many Muslims are, and review it on a daily basis. The way you’re approaching it is no different than those Mujahideen you mention, who actually don’t have scholars to go to. Growing your beard and wearing a white robe doesn’t make one a scholar by the way. They always quote verses from the Quran, not Hadith, to commit their atrocities and promote their misguidance. On the other hand, anti-Muslim bigots have the same approach where they ignore everything that I have already mentioned in my replies to you, and go straight to the Quran in translation and quote it directly to show how evil it is. Your approach is the same. Because of preconceived notions and preformed opinions, you’ve already made up your mind before discussing anything. This is evident by your disregard to everything I’ve said, which I’m basing on your consistent repetition of the same statements about coming back to the Quran and reading it for myself etc, all of which I’ve dealt with already.

      While the Quran is the primary and ultimate bedrock for Islam, Hadith is the companion to it. The fact is they both go together and the Hadith is an indispensable source in Islam. The second pillar in Islam is to pray your five daily prayers. The general command of praying is given in the Quran and the general way to determining when to pray is there as well as the washing to prepare to pray. But all the details that are required to hold a valid prayer are NOT in the Quran. This is where the Hadith comes in because this deals with specific teachings given from the Prophet peace be upon him. This is just one example of why you can’t reject Hadith. This is not to say that the Quran is incomplete and this is not to say that before the Hadith was collected in books that no one knew how to pray for reasons that I’ve already mentioned in my previous replies and will not get into again.

      Jazak Allah khair for the comments and shared thoughts. May Allah guide us all.

      This and God knows best!

  6. Masha’Allah! reading the comments was as beneficial as reading your article brother Mohamed. May Allah bless you and increase you in all that is good.

  7. Very informative, masha’Allah. I just wanted to mention that many Muslim converts, who get their information from books and Internet articles written in English, have the idea that the hadiths didn’t appear until Imam Bukhari started collected them long after the Prophet’s death. I thought that for a long time – that he started asking around, and people would just happen to remember a story their grandfather had told them, that he had heard from his grandfather… It wasn’t until I started studying in Arabic that I learned that the hadiths were being formally transmitted during that time gap. This might be a good subject for an article!

  8. Jazakallah khair brothers I have learned much today masha Allah. Brother Mohamed you have have taught beautifully, I am asking Allah to give us patience and guidance here in the west, because our true problem with Hadith is more about what our own vices and not it’s authenticity. Make Dua for us Insha Allah.

  9. Why must we infer that the Qur’an says ‘Hadith’ or ‘Sunnah’ or that the Qur’an is saying to follow ‘Sunnah’ or believe in ‘Hadith’? What is the difference between what your saying and what Christians say in regards to their belief in Jesus being God? Christians say Jesus is God and defend it by saying ‘I and the Father are one’ or ‘If you have seen me you have seen the Father.’ Does this say Jesus is God? Would you believe this? This is inferring not Bayyinat (Clear Evidence). Your ayats you presented is the same thing it doesn’t say ‘Sunnatu Rasoolullah’ or ‘Hadith’ of Muhammad or Sunnah of Muhammad. I often say to Christians do you have one verse where Jesus says he’s God of course they don’t have it. So I’ll say the same to you, do you have one ayat from Qur’an saying to ‘follow the Sunnah of Muhammad or believe in the Hadith of Muhammad?

    How can you say that we are to follow the guidance of Muhammad when Allah says clearly,

    Allah makes it clear that its not upon the Prophet Muhammad to guide any one basically the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT GUIDE whom he desired to guide. If this is the case then how could the Prophet’ so called ‘Sunnah’ guide any one?

    “Not upon you hudāhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahdī (guides) whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah’s Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.” 2/272

    In another Surah/ayat again we are told:

    “Indeed, you do not guide whom aḥbabta (you love), but Allah yahdī (guides) whom He wills. And He is most knowing bil-muh’tadīna (of the rightly guided).” 28/56

    How can the Sunnah of Muhammad be the best of the guidance when Allah clearly says that the Prophet Muhammad cannot guide. The Qur’an says that Allah’s GUIDANCE is the GUIDANCE OF ALLAH.

    “Say: “And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their millatahum (creed). Say, “Indeed, hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE).” If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.” 2/120

    “And do not trust except those who follow your dīnakum (way of conduct).” Say, “Indeed, hudā (THE TRUE GUIDANCE) hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE) of Allah. lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?” Say, “Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah – He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise.” 3/73

    “Say, “Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be] like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], ‘Come to us.’ ” Say, “Indeed, hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE); and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds.” 6/71

    Allah tells us clearly that the Qur’an is the Best Hadith:

    “Allah has sent down the ahsana (best) الْحَدِيثِ ḥadīthi: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . THAT IS THE GUIDANCE OF ALLAH of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray – for him there is no guide.” 39/23

    I’m not emotional at all lol that’s an assumption just like your inferring that Hadith and Sunnah are in the above ayats you quoted.

    in·fer (n-fûr)

    v. in·ferred, in·fer·ring, in·fers

    1. To conclude from evidence or premises.
    2. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable.
    3. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: “Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor” (Academy).

    Definition of INFER

    transitive verb

    1 : to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises — compare imply
    2 : guess, surmise
    3 a : to involve as a normal outcome of thought
    b : to point out : indicate
    4 : suggest, hint
    5. To hint; imply.

    Allah says,

    “And they say, “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” These are their own desires. Say, “hātū (Bring) bur’hānakum (your proof) if you are truthful.” 2/111

    The Arabic word bur’hānakum bā rā hā nūn comes from (ب ر ه ن) evidence/proof

    “He said, “O my people have you considered: if I should be upon bayyinatin (clear evidence) from my Lord while He has given me mercy from Himself but it has been made unapparent to you, should we force it upon you while you are averse to it?” 11/28

    “My Lord is most knowing of their number. None knows them except a few. So do not tumāri (argue) about them except with an mirāan (argument) ẓāhiran (obvious) and fala (do not) inquire about them among from anyone.” 18/22

    “That had been because their Messengers approach them bil-bayināti (with the clear proofs), but they said: abasharun (Shall human beings) yahdūnanā (guide us)? So they were ungrateful and turned away. And Allah is Self-Sufficient. And Allah is Rich, Worthy of Praise.” 64/6

    Again, I ask you can you produce one ayat I’ll keep it simple.


    (1) We are suppose to follow Hadith/ Sunnatu Rasoolillah or…

    (2) We will get guidance from Hadith/ Sunnatu Rasoolillah or

    (3) We are suppose to believe in Hadith/ Sunnatu Rasoolillah or

    (4) Hadith/ Sunnatu Rasoolillah was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad?

    I have read in Quran and in the Qur’an we find

    1) “Sunnat Illahi” but not

    2) “Sunnat Rasool”, or

    3) “Sunnat-e-of any Prophet” but we do find

    4) “Millata Ibrahimi”.

    5) “Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) from outside books called Hadith of Bukhari and company

    Just one ayat will do….

  10. Correction: We find in Qur’an the “Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) but we do not find outside books called Hadith of Bukhari and company

    Just one ayat will do this is Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) please don’t infer that the above ayats you posted are saying Hadith or Sunnah give us Bayyinat (Clear Evidence).

    • Note to the readers: this brother named “khidramari” just copied and pasted his comments from another article of mine at this link:

      I’m not assuming you’re emotional. It’s evident in your style of writing. You may not be physically showing signs of agitation. But it most certainly is being shown in how you’re delivering your message.

      It seems that you’ve built an entire case for rejection of the Hadith based on fallacious information, which is clear from your lack of knowledge regarding the Arabic language syntax. Your ability to pull up an online dictionary and look up definitions of words is not enough when it comes to Arabic. It’s not as simple as English my friend. This is why you fell into the erroneous comparison with Christianity.

      I never realized this because I never paid attention to it until now. Those who reject Hadith are not only following erroneous misinformed conclusions, but there is also some contempt in their hearts towards the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. I’m not making an assumption here. Just look at how you speak of him without due regard to his status as the Messenger of Allah. Hence, I repeat my question to you: how is the Prophet peace be upon him any relevant to Islam? Allah the Exalted could’ve sent us down tablets with everything written out in a vacuum and we wouldn’t have had any problems with all these billions of Muslims throughout history being on the wrong path. In fact, your proposition makes Allah seem purposely deceitful.

      May Allah guide us all. I pray that you wake up and realize that you’ve concocted an elaborate, albeit incoherent and fallacious case for yourself.

  11. Its an assumption mohamedghilan that you believe I’m emotional because I’m asking you to produce the Bayyinat (Clear proof) to back up your claim. You presented a document claiming that the Quraniyyoon which I’m not a part of but because you put us all in one category of rejecting Hadith we are of such. I felt a need to confront your material. Yes, the above statement of mines is a copy and paste of my thoughts that you really didn’t have much to say so I felt the need to also bring it here. I want to see can you back up what you say from the Qur’an with Bayyinat (Clear proof) and thus far you have not. You want to name call instead of present the facts.

    I haven’t built a clear case to reject Hadith the Qur’an itself tells us not to accept no other Hadith AFTER it, the Qur’an, Surah 77/50. You say my information is fallacious again where is your proof? You say I lack nowledge regarding the Arabic language again where is your proof?

    You said my ability to look up definition of words is not enough when it comes to Arabic well I have my own library and I know for without a doubt Allah’s Guidance is not constituted around Arabic. Allah guides Whom He Wills to guide.

    Allah says,

    “And do not taqfu (pursue)that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart – about all those [one] will be questioned.” 17/36

    Remember Allah does not reward us for being ignorant. We are not supposed to blindly follow anything without researching it, investigating it, asking the questions, verifying it…

    “And do not trust except those who follow your dīnakum (way of conduct).” Say, “Indeed, hudā (THE TRUE GUIDANCE) hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE) of Allah. lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?” Say, “Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah – He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise.” 3/73

    “Say, “Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be] like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], ‘Come to us.’ ” Say, “Indeed, hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE); and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds.” 6/71

    If we study the Quran carefully the Quran itself says those who grasp its meaning best are those who are sincere. It is not about who has the most knowledge of Classical Arabic or who is the most qualified linguistics professor. These are simply aids/tools, but are no match for a sincere and diligent heart/mind. One does not need to know Arabic to understand The Quran, this notion is non-Quranic. It helps. However, it says those who are sincere, forethoughtful, pious, mindful etc. will understand it best. Its amazing how many Arabic speakers don’t have a clue what is Allah’s message.

    You say my comparison I presented with the Christians who say Jesus is God and when asked for proof they say “I and the Father are one” does this say or give Bayyinat (Clear proof), again would you accept this from them? I’m sure you would use this against them so if you wouldn’t accept this as Bayyinat (Clear proof) why do you expect me to believe you when you say follow the Sunnah of Muhammad or the Hadith and I ask you where does the Qur’an say follow the Sunnah of Muhammad or Hadith and as your Bayyinat (Clear proof) you say ‘Obey the Messenger’ or ‘Take what the Prophet gives you’…. Yet you call this comparison erroneous.

    Nah, this is using a Christian like response in both responses to back up your belief the absence of Bayyinat (Clear proof) is clear. There is no direct quote from Jesus saying he’s God and there is no direct quote from the Qur’an saying to follow the Sunnah of Muhammad or Hadith. This is clear.

    Now you said those who reject Hadith are not only following erroneous misinformed conclusions but there is also some contempt in our hearts towards the Prophet Muhammad.

    Hmm again, your conjecturing as you have done by accusing me of being emotional. Can you back up what you say from the Book of Allah.

    Now we reject Hadith because we following what the Prophet Muhammad himself was instructed to obey/follow here is the Bayyinat (Clear Proof):

    From the beginning the Prophet Muhammad was instructed by Allah to follow the faith of Prophet Ibrahim.

    Then awḥaynā (We revealed) to you, that ittabiʿ (You follow) millata (the creed) Ibrahim, ḥanīfan (the upright); and he was not of those who associate with Allah.” 16/123

    “Indeed, awlā (the best to claim relationship) of people with Ibrahim lalladhīna (are those who follow him) and this the prophet, and those who believe. And Allah is the ally of the believers.” 3/68

    “Say, ” Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabiʿū (then follow) millata (the creed) of Ibrahim ḥanīfan (the upright); and he was not of the polytheists.” 3/95

    “And who aḥsanu (is better) in dinan than one who submits himself to Allah while being a doer of good wa-ittabaʿa (and follows) millata (the creed) of Ibrahim, ḥanīfan (the upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim khalīlan (as a friend).” 4/125

    “Then We put you, on sharīʿatin (an ordained way) concerning the matter; fa-ittabiʿ’hā (so follow it) and do not tattabiʿ (follow) the inclinations of those who do not know.” 45/18

    Allah says in Surah 3:31,

    “Say: “If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

    What did the Prophet Muhammad follow?

    “O you nabiyu (prophet), you shall ittaqi (reverence) Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabiʿ (And follow) what is yūḥā (revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah… (33:1-3)”

    How can you say we are misinformed when the Qur’an clearly says that the Prophet Muhammad was instructed to follow the Millata Ibrahim which is nothing more than the Sunnatu Allah. The Prophet Muhammad was instructed to follow what Allah sent down to him and revealed to him which was nothing more than the Book of Allah, the Best Hadith, the Guidance which is the Qur’an? How are we misinformed?

    Where can you direct me to one ayat telling me that the Prophet Muhammad was given the Qur’an and the Sunnah or Hadith, just one ayat? If you can produce this Bayyinat (Clear proof) I’ll follow it.

    You said, “Hence, I repeat my question to you: how is the Prophet peace be upon him any relevant to Islam?”

    There is tons of Surahs/ayat telling us how relevant our Prophet Muhammad is to Islam. We respect him, adore him, he was an excellent example for us to follow but we don’t worship him.

    If you thoroughly study Allah’s Book you will see that the Scripture not only contains the laws of Allah, but it also contains beautiful examples of the life of the all the Prophets (the ones mention) including the Prophet Muhammad which includes:

    His dealing with the idol worshippers. ~~ 53/19-23
    His compassion towards the believers. ~~ 3:31
    His love and constant remembrance of Allah. ~~ 33:21
    His human fear of failing. ~~ 2/214
    His dealing with his wives’ rebellion. ~~ 33/28-31
    His dealing with his adopted son. ~~ 33/37
    His dealing with his followers gently and was not server and hard-hearted. ~~ 3/159
    He was commanded to take forgiveness, enjoin what was good and turn away from the ignorant.~~ 7/199
    He showed compassion and grieved that his peole should perish or fall into distress; he was excessively solicitous of the good of his peole, and he was most compassionate and merciful (ra’uf-ur-rahim). 9/128, 16/37
    He was commanded by Allah to lower his wing (be kind). ~~ 15/88, 26/215
    He was most anxious for people’s guidance. ~~ 16/37, 9/128
    He was commanded to invite people with Hikmah (wisdom) and beautiful exhortation and to reason with them in the best and most gracious manner. ~~ 16/125
    He was commanded to repel evil with that which was best. ~~ 41/34

    When we study the Qur’an thoroughly we will clearly see that it is the Qur’anic Ayat it was the revelations the Prophet Muhammad used to bring to his people, This is further clarified by the rest of the verse:

    “Say: attabiʿu (I follow) only that which yūḥā (is inspired) in me from my Sustainer. This is baṣāiru (enlightenment) from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur’an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy.” (7:203-204)

    The messenger of Allah delivers only the message of Allah, and does not ask people to be obedient to any other rule or law other than that given in the Book of Allah which is the Best Hadith, Al Qur’an.

    So again, obedience to the messenger only means obedience to the message being delivered by him:

    Allah says,

    “And wa-aṭīʿū (obey) Allah wa-aṭīʿū (and obey) the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that only a clear deliverance of the message is (incumbent) on Our messenger.” (5:92)

    “And Allah has made for you of what He has created shelters, and He has given you in the mountains places of retreat, and He has given you garments to preserve you from the heat and coats of mail to preserve you in your fighting; even thus does He complete His favor upon you, that haply you may submit. But if they turn back, then on you devolves only the balāghu (deliverance of the message).” (16:81-82)

    “And if you (o people) reject (the truth), nations before you did indeed reject (the truth); and nothing is incumbent on the messenger but a plain balāghu (delivering of the message).” (29:18)

    “And obey Allah and obey the messenger, but if you turn back, then upon Our messenger devolves only the balāghu (delivery of the message).” (64:12)

    “Say: wa-aṭīʿū (Obey) Allah wa-aṭīʿū (and obey)the messenger; but if you turn back, then on him rests that which is imposed on him and on you rests that which is imposed on you; and if you obey him, you are on the right way; and nothing rests on the messenger but balāghu (delivering of the message).” (24:54)

    The above verses clearly describes what is meant by obedience to Allah and His messenger. The double negative used in the phrase,

    “..and nothing rests on the messenger but balāghu (delivering of the message).”

    According to the Qur’an the Prophet Muhammad makes people obedient only to the message of Allah that is sent down and revealed on him, and does not deliver any other teachings apart from the message of Allah.

    Which other Hadith after the Qur’an will you believe? Am I saying this no, this is Bayyinat (Clear proof) right in the Book of Allah.

    Allah says,

    “Have they not contemplated the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything created by Allah, that perhaps their own term is drawing to a close? IN WHICH حَدِيثٍ hadithin AFTER THIS WILL THEY THEN BELIEVE?”: (Sura 7:185).


    “In what other حَدِيثٍ hadithin after this will they then believe?” (Sura 77:50).

    • You wrote quite a bit. I’ll just address a couple of things.

      While Allah’s guidance is not predicated on knowledge of Arabic, dealing with rulings in the Quran, Hadith, and anything scholarly with respect to Islam is most definitely predicated in deep, not superficial, understanding of Arabic.


      [Surely We have revealed it — an Arabic Qur’an — that you may understand] 12:2

      [And thus have We revealed it, a true judgment in Arabic, and if you follow their low desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you shall not have against Allah any guardian of a protector] 13:37

      [And thus have We sent it down an Arabic Qur’an, and have distinctly set forth therein of threats that they may guard (against evil) or that it may produce a reminder for them] 20:113

      [An Arabic Qur’an without any crookedness, that they may guard (against evil)] 39:28

      [A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Qur’an for a people who know] 41:3

      [And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Qur’an, that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire] 42:7

      [Surely We have made it an Arabic Qur’an that you may understand] 43:3

      [And before it the Book of Musa was a guid and a mercy: and this is a Book verifying (it) in the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good] 46:12


      I think the above verses are sufficient to make deep knowledge of Arabic a pre-requisite before you can speak about the Quran.

      The reason you keep asking for a clear verse, which I’ve already given whether you want to acknowledge it or not, is simply your illiteracy in the Arabic language. It’s not something to be ashamed of and I’m saying this to insult you. It’s just a fact, and it’s evident in your handling of the verses and erroneous interpretations and lack of ability to see the clear injunction from the Qur’an to obey the Messenger peace be upon him and to return back to his judgment during times of disagreement. The Qur’an even affirms that the Prophet peace be upon him doesn’t speak from his own whim or desire. As the Allah affirmed in the Qur’an, our obedience to the Messenger peace be upon him is an obedience to Allah the Exalted. This is not polytheism. It’s simply recognizing who is the authority that is acting, speaking, and commanding in the name of Allah the Exalted.

      You’re upset that I’m grouping you with the Qur’aniyeen. How do you classify yourself then given that you reject the speech and actions of the Prophet peace be upon him, which are related in the Hadith. If you want to insist that Hadith is the Qur’an then I’ll give you that and ask in return, how do you classify yourself given that you reject the speech and actions of the Prophet peace be upon him, which are related in the Sunnah? More accurately put, how do you classify yourself given that you reject the Prophet peace be upon him and any role he has outside of his time with his companions? I’m curious to know as I’m sure many others reading this are.

      I commend your passion. But I question your methodology. A personal library is not sufficient and is not impressive. It’s just books on the shelf. Knowledge is what you carry within you and not what you can point to on your shelf.

      You still haven’t addressed the fact that Islam is an “oral” tradition and not a written one. The Qur’an and the sayings of the Prophet peace be upon him are all transmitted orally. In Islam we don’t have the science of textual criticism as the case with Christianity, where one has to go and find the oldest scripture to confirm authenticity. Much of the grievances of those who reject the Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet peace be upon him) revolve around the fact that all these Hadith compilations were put together after the Prophet peace be upon him passed by many years. However, this grounds of this accusation are not sound because of the assumption that Islam is transmitted as a written tradition.

      I’d like to actually bring this back to my article, and ask you to address the history and compilation of Hadith, the conditions required for accepting a Hadith, and the conditions required for a person to be considered acceptable in a chain of transmission. As I’ve said before, the verses are clear for those with sound knowledge in Arabic. You don’t seem to have that and refuse to acknowledge it, so there is no point in arguing with you about it. So it’s better to move on and discuss other matters, which you seem to have conveniently ignored.


  12. Message to the readers:

    Given that this is not necessarily a discussion, but rather more like an argumentation that goes around in a circle, I’ve opted to close the comment section down.

    What is evident here is that we have a group of individuals whose Islamic education is limited to a few selected searches on the Internet. It’s one thing to acknowledge one’s ignorance, for that is the first step to rectifying that state in order to seek knowledge. However, in this case we have high emotions and misguided passions.

    No one can guide the blind if they believe they can see just fine. Clear verses that every scholars has understood within their contexts, and in their original Arabic language, are not being acknowledged. Therefore, I should’ve recognized right at the start that we wouldn’t get anywhere with such individuals. At the very least, I’m puzzled by how they pray the five daily prayers without having to resort to the Hadith tradition. How do they know that Fajr is 2 rakats and Duhr, Asr, and Isha are 4 rakats, and Maghrib is 3 rakats. How do they know when to sit, when to bow, when to prostrate, etc.? I’m also bewildered by the false dichotomy being put forth. Namely, that by following the Hadith, it automatically means we abandoned the Quran.

    I hope the article was beneficial for those who wished to understand their religion more. As for the Qur’aniyeen, I pray that you see the error of your ways. The one advice I have for you is that despite your rejection of the Prophet peace be upon him’s saying and actions, please show him some reverence and respect. Your tone of speech and reference to the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him is unbecoming of a Muslim.

    Jazakum Allah khair

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